QWAK,they were NOT stupid!!
 

QWAK,I just sent this out to some friends IT came off of a thread here at GIM --- WOW! :yippee::5_1_120::10_1_20::15_1_70v:There is SOooooooooo much great stuff posted here at GIM --IT realy does INRICH my LIFE and others too I am shure, as the GOOD information is shared and passed on to OTHERS who never even heard of GIM!:shine:
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The OLD and ancient were not STUPID -- they were just HUNCHED OVER from working so HARD! :yes: That made them VERY CREATIVE and EFFICIENT :thinkey:at NOT waisting WORK or any thing that REQUIRED WORK! :grin:

Working is a GOOD THING a "GOD THING" :hahaha::grin:-- it is a way of CONTRIBUTING and making the WORLD a little BETTER than IT was when YOU got HERE! :yes:THAT is what we are EACH suposed to DO -- EACH in there OWN WAY:yes:-- just make it a little BETTER than it WAS!:shine:

It aint about making a PROFIT so you don't have to WORK :111::thinkey: IT is about WORKING hard at somthing You injoy doing! :thinkey::yes:

Check out this ANCIENT Rusian STOVE/home heater and do just about EVERY THING wood burner!

http://www.russia-ic.com/culture_art/traditions/658/

THEY had "HIGH TECH" back theN too just FOCUSED diferently! :)

Makes ME PONDER (pun intended) :wink:

Seems to ME that the HARD TIMES that are coming will have a SILVER :wink: lining in that people will REDISCOVER more efficient ways to use what they GOT and over time the NET GAIN will be that "ALL" will have "ALL" they NEED so they TOO can CONTRIBUTE to --making "IT" better!

HARD TIMES are GOOD TIMES turned INSIDE OUT! :thinkey::shine:

There will be GREAT net GAIN but FIRST we got to WALK threw HELL to GET THERE!:hahaha::4_1_72:

LOVE YOU ALL!:36_3_13:

the ugly DUCK :15_1_70v:

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Hi Duck,

I think you will like these:

http://www.canadiankachelofen.com

Very efficient. Basically the same thing as your Russian oven. I would have liked one of these in here, but it was too expensive and my lay out is not really 'open plan' enough for one. If anyone was building a new house it would be a very smart thing to put in.

I ended up going for one of these instead:

http://www.esse.com/stoves/multifuel...ironheart.html

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QWAK,Max,LOVE the first ones WOW great but you do sort of have to build your house around them.:s9:

The one you picked with the glass door is beautiful BUT you may have problems should the glass ever crack!

My stove has two doors each with a cast iron pannel that can be replaced with special glass and was nice but over the years both have cracked:yes: and I can not get the screws out that hold the glass in to put the cast iron pannels back in so I just live with the cracked glass which gets a little worse as time goes on. I also bought the fire screen and brass knobs and other decorations,waisted money but looked nice. :wink::s1:

the DUCK

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Flap Duck,

Well I have actually seen one of those Kachelofen ones in an old farm house. But I think you have to be prepared to make some pretty major modifications to put one in to an older building. Fabulous things though and apparently you can run any old wood in them and they still work well. The only thing that matters is that the wood is well seasoned, apparently.

Good point about the glass door in the Esse. I have just looked at it and it seems to be held in place by some pretty basic looking screws. You are right it is probably a potential weak spot. Perhaps I should sent for a spare one, or see if I can have a spare one made up in the right size locally.

How did your stove glass crack? Just from heat?

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QWAK,Max,I think it was just the heat or perhaps the cold glass or creosote build up so the glass could not expand.:dontknow: One was cracked and then some time later the other was too.

Looks nice having the glass but not realy praticle.:thinkey:

the DUCK

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Reckon you are right, Duck. I should have a metal insert made for it, methinks, in case I ever need to fall back on it in the future.

Thanks, good tip.

I am also going to email the guy at Esse and find out how often these glass doors do crack.

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In Russia they have smaller, more vertical ones with no fancy doors, just a heat shield with a handle.

I'll try to get pictures the next time I go to the village. They fit in small places, and people make them themselves, it's no big deal here.

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QWAK,Russkie,I think if the glass is in the door and not set in some ware, it gets hot and cold when you open the door and it is the cold air on the hot glass that makes it crack.

Have seen this on several other fire place incerts and stoves so It seems common to me.

I know it is PIREX glass but that can crack too.

I remember grand parents stove had MICA windows small but never broke. :s1:

the DUCK

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I will look forward to seeing these too Russkie. I took Russian Literature at university. Was not good enough at languages to hack taking Russian proper. Someone showed us some photos of these stoves in Russia once and I thought they were most impressive. Have always remembered the photos.

If you can find any plans for how to make these things yourself that would probably be a great thing to post here.

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Flap Duck,

I was just going to tell you privately, but I think I should post on here about the bother I have had with getting that wood cook stove installed, so that other members are aware.

I went with an external chimney for this thing. It would have looked a sight having one of those stainless steel chimneys for this thing as this is an old house with a lot of character and the chimney is very much on view. So I got a mason in to build a brick chimney, which has to have a stainless steel liner inside it to satisfy 'code'.

Well, my old farmer neighbour turns up the other day and says 'What the hell is going on with that mason of yours, has he lost his mind? How are you ever going to sweep that chimney liner the way he has done it?' He took me to his house and showed me how his set up was his wood stove, and I saw what he meant.

I borrowed a flue brush off my neighbour and when the mason turned up the next day I confronted him and said 'My neighbour says I will not be able to sweep this the way it is, and it looks as if he is right.'

The mason, who is in his late fifties, looked VERY apologetic indeed.He said he was aware of the problem, and agreed that I would have to do modifications. But he said he was a WETT (no kidding!) certified chimney installer. WETT stands for Wood Energy Technical Training. To satisfy 'code' for the bloody insurance companies he had to use only off the shelf parts with a 'safety approved' sticker on them. He said he used to get a local guy, the guy who made my neighbour's chimney liner, 20 odd years back, to the specification he/ the home owner wanted.

He agreed that the chimney liner could not be swept from the bottom the way it was, only via someone going on the roof. 3 stories up, essentially, as the attic has a good head room in it. Also inside he, according to 'code' had to put three screws in to hold each piece of stove pipe together, though it fitted together just fine. I have an elbow in the pipe, so I have all kinds of screws that would have to be undone in order to sweep even the stove pipe within the house. Which I understand from my neighbour should be done once a month.

This is nuts, and 'code' is not making things any safer, in fact worse, as it is now much more difficult to sweep the chimney. We will in fact have to 'uncode' it all, at further expense to make that possible.

With hindsight I would have got the mason to ONLY build the brick chimney and gone to the guy, a metal worker, with no WETT certificate who did my neighbour's chimney to have had a custom liner that COULD be easily swept from the bottom.

Insane. No common sense. This is Canada. I do not know if the US rules are equally mad. But beware, anyone who gets a wood stove put in.


:confused_ma:

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Good stuff Gold Duck.
How about the worlds largest Russian stove... :s9:
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QWAK,RealJack,That was fun,the lady dancing remined me of MY Rurrian grand mother. I only met her one time when I was about 7 and was amased that I was almost as TALL as SHE was!:hahaha::smile:

she had a big FETHER BED with so many feathers you almost go lost on top or IN it!:s1:

Had a big nicle plated pot belly stove next to the bed that burned coal and strange windows (mica) that you could not quite see threw but shined red with the burning coal inside. :s1:

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Duck, I had a Bavarian grand mother who used to scrub me down with bleach water before church, so as I sat on those wooden pews, slowly blistering under my starched collar and tie, the parishioners would comment on my healthy pink glow. Ahahaha... :shine:

All I could think about was diving into a snow bank when church service was over. :s9:

Maybe the scalding bleach treatment was to remind me of where little boys go when they're bad. To Grandmas house... :bear_cry:

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Here is the one we are getting for our soon-to-be-built homestead:

http://www.kitchenqueenstoves.com/ki...ves/index.html

http://www.kitchenqueenstoves.com/ki...s/DSCF0012.jpg

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I have a buddy in Turlock who bought the exact same stove 3 months ago.




Another Masonry wood heat stove same as the Russian is the Tuklivi, it was a toss up between that and a kacheloven, but I wound up with a Lopi

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According to Lehman's (http://www.lehmans.com/) they are the most practical wood cookstove. I had called about a different model, but they said more people like the Kitchen Queen... as long as you aren't trying to make your kitchen "cute".

I understand it can take up to a year to get one after ordering. How long did your friend have to wait? I'm thinking about making it one of my first purchases when I start building in order to make sure it shows up in time.

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I just called him he purchased it six months ago (my bad) and it took 1 week for delivery and yes it is the exact same one.....he does his research, swears it's the best bang for the buck

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QWAK,Max,Yep they have all sorts of similar RULES here in the USA too,that is why I live ware I do, out in the boonies, ware I can IGNORE as many silly rules as posable!:s1::yes:

When I bought the cabin The seller insisted the place be insured,after first mo. owning it the insurance co. canceled because it was heated with wood and was not occupied!:confused_m: I called around and could NOT get insurance in less it WAS ocupied! It was not cheep insurance either, amounted to an extra mo. payment on the land and cabin each year so I just did with out and hoped for the best!:yes: Besides I long believed INSURANCE companies were and are a legal SCAM!:thinkey::yes:

The only insurance I have is on my TAHOE and that is for any damage that I could do to OTHERS,I have a very high deductable and will likely drop THAT because it is almost 9 years old now.

I don't even suport the local volinteer fire department because it too is some what a sham in that they have NEVER saved a structure YET and even when they do show up to hose down the ashes, they send a BILL for there efforts any way, EVEN IF you DO pay in to there program!:yes::confused_ma:

IF I have a fire I will and have fought them MY SELF!

I like to EXPERIMENT and create new things and trying to obey all there rules would be imposable on many projects! Proto types have a tendency to FAIL it is part of the development process and leads to DISCOVERY of things both related to the project and other unexpected things too!:yes::thinkey:

I never did fit in to any BOX "THEY" tried to put me in :s1::grin: all my life and eventualy STOPED trying to do every thing THERE WAY and found that more often than NOT, once I understand how stuff works, MY way often works better!:wink: THEY try to IDIOT PROOF every thing and that eliminates far too many OPTIONS and NOT being an IDIOT my self, makes too many restrictions on my creativity!:15_1_70v::15_1_70v::shine::15_1_70v:

BTW:Finished closing off the greenhous/bath from the weather yesterday!:yippee::23_30_104:

I also am happy with my experiment at solar lighting so far :thinkey: Incredably simple and easy to install!:yes: They now make fairly cheep solar LED christmass tree lights a string of 50 goes for about $25.00 and 100 for about $35.00. The solar pannel recharges one or two AA NICAD batteries and a light sencor turns them off and on when it gets dark or the sun is out. They don't produce a lot of light but enough to get around and not bump in to things. Looks sort of like moon light and the indivigual white LEDs sort of like lots of STARS,perfect for the green house/bath!:s1: The batteries last about one year however IF there are no problems I should be able to rewire them all to my battery bank and never have to replace the NICADS!:thinkey: The LEDs last an incredably long time too!:s1:

the DUCK

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This GD server/ browser computer SH*T.
I type like a pumpkin, it took me 10 minutes to describe the Russian woodstove I built for our home and hit reply then it said I wasnt logged in, but I was.
I GOT YOUR LOG! HA!
Anyhow it works great....that's all...geez.
The stove that is.

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Don't feel bad, that happens to me all the time. Sorry your post did not go through as it sounded interesting.

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That looks a really nice, practical stove SLV. My first choice for here was a Pioneer Maid, but I would have had to have put it on an inside wall and had an internal chimney, lot of disruption.

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Glad the closing in project is near completion, Duck.

Yes, I do not know what to think about this insurance scam, Duck. Though a few years back a guy over the road who was not insured burned to the ground. I did not live here at the time, no idea of the cause. I think if you are home when these things started, and awake, you have a fighting chance. Otherwise?

The Fire Department here does turn up pretty fast.

Though I know a couple who had a lovely old house struck by lightening. They were really lucky they were not in, as it appeared a fire ball went through the upstairs and went down a wide stair case they had. The house was fairly remote, and by the time it was seen to be on fire it was well alight. The fire department concentrated on saving the dinning room, as they could see there were a lot of antiques in it, best they could do.

They are super prepared now, lightening rod and generator pumped fire hose for the well. No doubt it will never happen again! They were fortunate though that no one was in and no pets were shut in the house either.